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	<description>a look at how America squanders nearly half of its food</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point for you! Something always seems to come up during the week. That&#039;s why when I&#039;m planning meals,  I try to leave one night open. 

On the BBJ: Guilty as charged. Small world. Are you still using cooking to build camaraderie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point for you! Something always seems to come up during the week. That&#8217;s why when I&#8217;m planning meals,  I try to leave one night open. </p>
<p>On the BBJ: Guilty as charged. Small world. Are you still using cooking to build camaraderie?</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27514</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My queen of waste moniker is a confluence of many factors -- mainly that I&#039;m single and a professional chef. That means I am overly ambitious when I&#039;m at the market thinking about what I&#039;ll cook during the upcoming week, and then I get distracted by last minute social invitations.  Just this week, a friend tried to distract me from the meal I had already planned to cook at home, but I instead suggested we just eat at my house.  One point in the no-waste column!

By the way, did you used to freelance write for the Boston Business Journal?  I think you interviewed me for an article on corporate team building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My queen of waste moniker is a confluence of many factors &#8212; mainly that I&#8217;m single and a professional chef. That means I am overly ambitious when I&#8217;m at the market thinking about what I&#8217;ll cook during the upcoming week, and then I get distracted by last minute social invitations.  Just this week, a friend tried to distract me from the meal I had already planned to cook at home, but I instead suggested we just eat at my house.  One point in the no-waste column!</p>
<p>By the way, did you used to freelance write for the Boston Business Journal?  I think you interviewed me for an article on corporate team building.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27511</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, you&#039;ve hit on a few important questions. Wouldn&#039;t supermarkets be better off ordering less produce so they don&#039;t throw away/donate the B+ items?  Why don&#039;t more stores have discounted produce? And how important is the image of ultimate freshness? 

I&#039;m afraid the answer to the last question (very important) overrides common sense and the other two questions. From what I&#039;ve heard, most stores yearn to be thought of as temples of freshness. They&#039;ll happily lose money to maintain that image. 

The supermarkets whose image is based on low prices aren&#039;t quite as bad on this front, but they still want to present their &quot;A game&quot; if they can. 

But we all choose the A fruit over the B+ every time if they&#039;re the same price. Does that make us complicit??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you&#8217;ve hit on a few important questions. Wouldn&#8217;t supermarkets be better off ordering less produce so they don&#8217;t throw away/donate the B+ items?  Why don&#8217;t more stores have discounted produce? And how important is the image of ultimate freshness? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid the answer to the last question (very important) overrides common sense and the other two questions. From what I&#8217;ve heard, most stores yearn to be thought of as temples of freshness. They&#8217;ll happily lose money to maintain that image. </p>
<p>The supermarkets whose image is based on low prices aren&#8217;t quite as bad on this front, but they still want to present their &#8220;A game&#8221; if they can. </p>
<p>But we all choose the A fruit over the B+ every time if they&#8217;re the same price. Does that make us complicit??</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27497</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 05:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last fall at an up-market supermarket in St. Paul, Minnesota I saw a produce worker replacing one batch of B+to A- pomegranates with A to A- fruit.  I asked him if they were going to throw those away (knowing damn well that they wouldn&#039;t give me so much as a pomegranate peeling let alone a blemished whole fruit).  He said they were going to be donated to Second Harvest.  Fine.  But what was the matter with them, I asked.  He held out a B+ and an A grade pomegranate and asked me which one I would prefer to pay for.   Well, no contest - the A grade looked better at that price than the B+.  

It still doesn&#039;t make economic sense, though.  

The store has paid for the fruit, and even if it isn&#039;t quite as good as the best, its still pretty high quality.  Giving it away is a good thing to do (if they really are) but it is at a loss.  If they discounted the B+ fruit, couldn&#039;t they still make a profit without making the A to A- fruit sit idle until it was spoiled?  Wouldn&#039;t their volume of sales go up until the cheaper fruit was sold off, along with the better looking and more expensive fruit? 

Or is it an image issue:  It is better to lose money on slightly less attractive produce than to degrade our image of only having top drawer (and expensive) produce for sale?  

The high volume inner city supermarkets don&#039;t seem to have that problem.  They let the ratty produce intermingle with the better stuff; the customer does the sorting, and at the end of the day what is left doesn&#039;t need much reflection about whether its worth keeping around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last fall at an up-market supermarket in St. Paul, Minnesota I saw a produce worker replacing one batch of B+to A- pomegranates with A to A- fruit.  I asked him if they were going to throw those away (knowing damn well that they wouldn&#8217;t give me so much as a pomegranate peeling let alone a blemished whole fruit).  He said they were going to be donated to Second Harvest.  Fine.  But what was the matter with them, I asked.  He held out a B+ and an A grade pomegranate and asked me which one I would prefer to pay for.   Well, no contest &#8211; the A grade looked better at that price than the B+.  </p>
<p>It still doesn&#8217;t make economic sense, though.  </p>
<p>The store has paid for the fruit, and even if it isn&#8217;t quite as good as the best, its still pretty high quality.  Giving it away is a good thing to do (if they really are) but it is at a loss.  If they discounted the B+ fruit, couldn&#8217;t they still make a profit without making the A to A- fruit sit idle until it was spoiled?  Wouldn&#8217;t their volume of sales go up until the cheaper fruit was sold off, along with the better looking and more expensive fruit? </p>
<p>Or is it an image issue:  It is better to lose money on slightly less attractive produce than to degrade our image of only having top drawer (and expensive) produce for sale?  </p>
<p>The high volume inner city supermarkets don&#8217;t seem to have that problem.  They let the ratty produce intermingle with the better stuff; the customer does the sorting, and at the end of the day what is left doesn&#8217;t need much reflection about whether its worth keeping around.</p>
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		<title>By: Polymander</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27432</link>
		<dc:creator>Polymander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the themes I noticed in the BoingBoing discussion was the idea that &quot;once I&#039;ve bought it, there&#039;s no reason why it should matter to anyone else what I do with it.&quot;  But entirely aside from the moral repugnance of waste in the face of need, basic supply-and-demand economics shows how first-world waste connects to third-world hunger: when we buy more than we can eat, we increase demand for food, which drives up prices, pricing food out of reach for the poor and driving growers in poor countries to shift their production to cash crops for export.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the themes I noticed in the BoingBoing discussion was the idea that &#8220;once I&#8217;ve bought it, there&#8217;s no reason why it should matter to anyone else what I do with it.&#8221;  But entirely aside from the moral repugnance of waste in the face of need, basic supply-and-demand economics shows how first-world waste connects to third-world hunger: when we buy more than we can eat, we increase demand for food, which drives up prices, pricing food out of reach for the poor and driving growers in poor countries to shift their production to cash crops for export.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27401</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara in Chicago, how dare you suggest that people take home leftovers! They paid for it, and they want it in the trash. (j.k.) I don&#039;t have firsthand knowledge on the group, but &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://resourcecenterchicago.org/food.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Resource Center&lt;/a&gt; seems to be recovering food.

Thanks, Sam. I&#039;m looking forward to reading your post about the CT Farmer&#039;s market double discount. That&#039;s a superb idea. Where I live, a shelter gives vendors at the farmer&#039;s market a box to donate unsold items. Toward the end of the market, the shelter picks up the boxes of donated local, fresh produce. I would guess that the currency involved in the Connecticut model yields more donations.

Sara S., so I take it your husband doesn&#039;t like blue cheese. I see what you mean on the little juice boxes--I try to avoid packaged goods at home. But that goes for all packaged goods. The small juices help avoid waste with the wee ones (with wee  needs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara in Chicago, how dare you suggest that people take home leftovers! They paid for it, and they want it in the trash. (j.k.) I don&#8217;t have firsthand knowledge on the group, but <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://resourcecenterchicago.org/food.html" rel="nofollow">the Resource Center</a> seems to be recovering food.</p>
<p>Thanks, Sam. I&#8217;m looking forward to reading your post about the CT Farmer&#8217;s market double discount. That&#8217;s a superb idea. Where I live, a shelter gives vendors at the farmer&#8217;s market a box to donate unsold items. Toward the end of the market, the shelter picks up the boxes of donated local, fresh produce. I would guess that the currency involved in the Connecticut model yields more donations.</p>
<p>Sara S., so I take it your husband doesn&#8217;t like blue cheese. I see what you mean on the little juice boxes&#8211;I try to avoid packaged goods at home. But that goes for all packaged goods. The small juices help avoid waste with the wee ones (with wee  needs).</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Steinbroner</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27393</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Steinbroner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been doing alot of the things you mentioned for years. My family is a great bunch of recyclers, the grandchildren think it&#039;s great because they get money for the cans they recycle, but I tell them there is a more important thing to think about, the planet! I have always cut off the the moldy parts of the cheese, my husband tinks that is just to rediculous, wait till I show him your article. One of my families favorite things to eat is what I learned from my father, his family was very poor during the depression, so his mom used stale bread and made a mixture of onions and chicken broth and poured it over the stale bread with a little romano cheese on it, this may not sound good to some, but it is truly delicious, and as I said the kids think it is great, and when I do have stale italian bread I grate it up for bread crumbs.

One thing I think is a waste is the little juice boxes, what is the matter with putting a little juice in a glass, the &quot;easy way&quot; is another thing that gets the land fills fuller. We are a spoiled nation if it isn&#039;t easy don&#039;t do it, some people should read up on the depression days and learn a few facts on conserving. We only have one planet, let&#039;s take care of it for our children and teach them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been doing alot of the things you mentioned for years. My family is a great bunch of recyclers, the grandchildren think it&#8217;s great because they get money for the cans they recycle, but I tell them there is a more important thing to think about, the planet! I have always cut off the the moldy parts of the cheese, my husband tinks that is just to rediculous, wait till I show him your article. One of my families favorite things to eat is what I learned from my father, his family was very poor during the depression, so his mom used stale bread and made a mixture of onions and chicken broth and poured it over the stale bread with a little romano cheese on it, this may not sound good to some, but it is truly delicious, and as I said the kids think it is great, and when I do have stale italian bread I grate it up for bread crumbs.</p>
<p>One thing I think is a waste is the little juice boxes, what is the matter with putting a little juice in a glass, the &#8220;easy way&#8221; is another thing that gets the land fills fuller. We are a spoiled nation if it isn&#8217;t easy don&#8217;t do it, some people should read up on the depression days and learn a few facts on conserving. We only have one planet, let&#8217;s take care of it for our children and teach them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Fromartz</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27390</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Fromartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, nice site. Saw the Times article and just came across it. And thanks for the link to my shrimp post.

Wanted to mention I heard about a program in CT where food is bought at the end of day at the farmer&#039;s market for half-price. (Farmers prefer this rather than taking it back to the farm or composting it). Then a non-profit doubles the value of WIC coupons for low-income people to buy this food, so effectively they are getting fresh farm produce for 1/4 the regular market price. Needless to say, it goes quickly, creating a viable market for end-of-day produce and raising access to food. A win all around. (I&#039;ll explain more in a post soon.)

It&#039;s ironic we waste so much food when there are so many food deserts in our midst....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, nice site. Saw the Times article and just came across it. And thanks for the link to my shrimp post.</p>
<p>Wanted to mention I heard about a program in CT where food is bought at the end of day at the farmer&#8217;s market for half-price. (Farmers prefer this rather than taking it back to the farm or composting it). Then a non-profit doubles the value of WIC coupons for low-income people to buy this food, so effectively they are getting fresh farm produce for 1/4 the regular market price. Needless to say, it goes quickly, creating a viable market for end-of-day produce and raising access to food. A win all around. (I&#8217;ll explain more in a post soon.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic we waste so much food when there are so many food deserts in our midst&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara - Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara - Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, 
   Thank you for your good work and ideas and for the time you spend making them public.  I&#039;ve worked in restaurants for years and have been appalled by the massive amounts of food people waste.  While working in a steakhouse in Madison, WI. I would personally throw several pounds of steak into the trash every night.  When asked if they might like to take their uneaten 10 ounces of beef home with them, many people would look at me as if I were crazy to suggest such a thing.  Perhaps there was no room for the leftovers because they were packed cheek to jowl carpooling with their friends in Hummers??  I see food waste as another blindly consumptive, me-first, capitalism-is-king American blight.  
   Can you suggest any organizations to link up with here in Chicago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,<br />
   Thank you for your good work and ideas and for the time you spend making them public.  I&#8217;ve worked in restaurants for years and have been appalled by the massive amounts of food people waste.  While working in a steakhouse in Madison, WI. I would personally throw several pounds of steak into the trash every night.  When asked if they might like to take their uneaten 10 ounces of beef home with them, many people would look at me as if I were crazy to suggest such a thing.  Perhaps there was no room for the leftovers because they were packed cheek to jowl carpooling with their friends in Hummers??  I see food waste as another blindly consumptive, me-first, capitalism-is-king American blight.<br />
   Can you suggest any organizations to link up with here in Chicago?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.wastedfood.com/2008/05/19/boing-boing-responses/comment-page-1/#comment-27386</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren, isn&#039;t it wild how little trash there is without food scraps, paper, newspapers or bottles? Food waste alone is 12 percent of the waste stream...Looking forward to discussing further, meeting your happy plants and efficiently enjoying New Orleans&#039; cuisine. 

Julia, that&#039;s encouraging to hear about your changed ways, and you make a great point about our ability to impact others. Indeed, avoiding food waste and composting what you do toss is contagious. I&#039;m curious, why were you the &quot;queen of food wasting&quot; and how have you changed your ways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren, isn&#8217;t it wild how little trash there is without food scraps, paper, newspapers or bottles? Food waste alone is 12 percent of the waste stream&#8230;Looking forward to discussing further, meeting your happy plants and efficiently enjoying New Orleans&#8217; cuisine. </p>
<p>Julia, that&#8217;s encouraging to hear about your changed ways, and you make a great point about our ability to impact others. Indeed, avoiding food waste and composting what you do toss is contagious. I&#8217;m curious, why were you the &#8220;queen of food wasting&#8221; and how have you changed your ways?</p>
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